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May 14, 2007

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yonkers

what are you talking about?

the commish would love to see warriors vs suns... and pistons vs lebron...

then lebron vs suns in the finals

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Hey. I think the word you're looking for is precedent. "The president was set..." doesn't quite work... in English anyway.

Of course, he was lying. Everyone out there knows it. It's his job not to provoke the league. If you're going to try to pontificate about common knowledge, at least proofread... The slanted, self-righteous tone comes off more credibly if the reader believes the writer is literate...

coach

if only amare did not forget to bring tissue paper with him , he could have said 'he's going to the toilet' as his reason .it will be more believable.

dave

after it became obvious that javie and his crew were handing phoenix the win, horry made a smart play. he took a flagrant 2 hoping to rattle the suns' cage a little. if amare and boris get suspended, he did a good job. however, the spurs forgot to play defense and hit shots. oops.
steve nash made that foul look a lot worse than it was. the suns are going to learn a hard lesson. if you're gonna be babies and call your opponent dirty, your gonna get dirty. the spurs are gonna get even harder in game 5. bring your clothesline raja.

mike maxwell

didnt anyone else see that tim duncan went further onto the court than both stoudemire and diaw???? i am convincd that david stern and tim duncan are having a love affair because first bowen was not suspended and now duncan isnt suspended but diaw and stoudemire are suspended for the same infraction i feel this intolerable and its making those "nba is fixed" conspiracies seem more real, though i dont believe them because if the nba were fixed the knicks or lakers would be winning everything

jimbo

this is funny, where is the Horry Venice beach playground reference/spurs are punks article? or where is the Fisher flopped so he was lying when he acted like he was hurt article?

mike maxwell

didnt anyone else see that tim duncan went further onto the court than both stoudemire and diaw???? i am convincd that david stern and tim duncan are having a love affair because first bowen was not suspended and now duncan isnt suspended but diaw and stoudemire are suspended for the same infraction i feel this intolerable and its making those "nba is fixed" conspiracies seem more real, though i dont believe them because if the nba were fixed the knicks or lakers would be winning everything

mike maxwell

didnt anyone else see that tim duncan went further onto the court than both stoudemire and diaw???? i am convincd that david stern and tim duncan are having a love affair because first bowen was not suspended and now duncan isnt suspended but diaw and stoudemire are suspended for the same infraction i feel this intolerable and its making those "nba is fixed" conspiracies seem more real, though i dont believe them because if the nba were fixed the knicks or lakers would be winning everything

dave

um . . . tim duncan was checked in and playing at the time of the foul, numbnuts.

asokia

doesnt look like Duncan or Bowen where checked in here - looks like they will be gone as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39nRO5keRM

dave

"nba is fixed"
so, genius, you're saying that stern wants the spurs to advance and play the pistons in the final?
i think the last time those two teams played for the championship, the ratings were pretty low.

dave

asokia,
i think there is a pretty clear separation between leaving the bench during a brawl/skirmish and getting up and walking a couple of feet on the floor during play, which players from every team do all the time.
this should be fairly obvious.

bhonjaze

this really sucks! c'mon sternie, Timmy D did step inside the court. it's pathetic, really obvious right there and sternie can't make the same call to go against Timmy the same way he did with Amare. it's got to be fair enough if he wants to keep integrity in the league. hey asokia, could you send Sternie that youtube link so he can watch it himself? Geez..thought the NBA is a pro league...

dave

once again, duncan did not leave the bench during an altercation which is specifically what the rule states.
if you suspended every player who stepped on the floor during the course of a game they would be playing three on three.
put your spur-hate aside for a second and breath in some reality.
horry made a smart play and he paid for it. it wasn't even that bad of a hit. he didn't hurt anybody, little baby nash is fine. everyone is mad because amare is an idiot. he has got to be the dumbest player in the league.

Schism

So Horry made a smart play then? Not that bad of a hit I guess... it only got him suspended for two games. Crazy man Steven Jackson talked trash and undercut players for two series and didn't get suspended for one game, I'm guessing that was a pretty ruff play from Bob. What, did they Spurs think they couldn't compete with the Suns when they had all their players in Phoenix for game 5? What else could have Rob have been thinking, must of been the frustration talking.

bhonjaze

dont you play ball dave? whether or not there was an altercation, still players on the bench are not allowed to step in the court, even the coach, when the ball is in play. that i guess is a basic thing that ball players should know...
and hey, im not a Spurs-hater. im putting my bet on the east teams but im not putting hate on any other team, well aside from the Jazz. but then again, what i'm after is the fairness of the ruling that this professional ball league that we knew all these years should be keeping. no question too if Amare were dumb or not, i guess he was just concerned about baby Nash getting hurt. lol

dave

((sigh)) all right, one more time for all you "hardcore ballers". horry got suspended because it was an intentional, hard foul. nash was going to dribble out the clock and horry didn't let him do it. he wasn't trying to hurt little stevie "i'm a bad actor" nash. the only people to blame for amare and boris getting suspended are amare and boris.
yes, bhon, i play ball. i also watch a lot of nba games and see, in almost every game, bench players and coaches stand up and cross the line. it happens all the time and would be impossible to enforce. it is not a suspendable offense. if the league suspended tim duncan for that, they would have to go back and watch footage of every game this year and suspend every player and coach who left the bench and stepped over the line. there would be hundreds of suspensions. hundreds.
for the third time, the rule clearly states that any player who leaves the bench during an on court altercation will be suspended for a minimum of one game.
it was a hard foul. it's the playoffs. nobody got hurt. phoenix still won the game. what is the big deal? there was no reason to leave the bench. if you are a suns fan and you're mad . . . be mad at amare and boris, the idiot twins.
are we all clear on this now?

anon

about Nash flopping/acting: it seems like nash was not expecting to get fouled in that fashion. if somebody pushes you unexpectedly, you'd likely fall.
im no physio, but wouldn't it be less hard on the body to fall when you get body-checked like nash? your knee wouldn't have to absorb a sudden, moderately-hard impact. "flopping" sometimes prevents injuries.

Derrick

It seems as though everyone has the "Put the blame here" syndrome. I'm not posting this to put blame on anyone. There are a lot of "What ifs" in this matter. (1) What if Amare did get told to check in (although with only 18 seconds left in the game that would be highly unlikely), (2) What if Horry didn't do a Flagrant Foul. I'm sure there a lot more "What ifs", but how about this approach. Let's do a "How about". "How about" the League treat all flagrant fouls equally. You've seen it through the past few years. These types of incidents are treated inconsistently. For what Horry did, players have been handed a fine only to numerous games suspensions and fines. I understand it needs to be based on the severity of the incident, but "How about" having a League minimum on Flagrant Fouls. Say, a Five game suspension and a $20,000 fine. This would go to show the players that the League is there to protect them from possible injury. Isn't there enough injuries happening already. Players don't need to be getting injured because of flagrant fouls. As far as leaving the bench with an oncourt confrontation, that should be a fine for the first offense and then maybe a 1 game suspension for a second offense. But the penalty that was given to the Suns players was unjust. They may as well have gone out on the floor and pushed or punched back and made it a "2" game suspension like Horry. Again, I'm not putting the blame on anyone but recommending that the League consider looking at their inconsistincies on suspenions and fines. So let's all tell the commissioner, "Hey, be consistent in your punishments."

bhonjaze

got that right there Derrick! i think these inconsistencies should be highly given another look. it's true that even through this season, there have been a lot of incidents already that could have merited same sanctions if the League indeed enforces this particular coming-in-the-floor with or without any altercation and as well as the sanctions that come to the players involved in actual altercations. anybody could agree that there has been no equal treatment, whatever the severity was on those preceding instances in the regular season. i guess it all boils down to how the League administration react to situations like these..if they need to be hasty on their calls or sit it over, especially in crucial times like the playoffs. they have to start getting consistent, coz the season is still far from over.

bhonjaze

and how about this?

There is also a growing perception, most of all, that Bowen was shown a good deal of leniency by the league office after being accused of intentionally kicking a dunking Stoudemire in Game 2 and kneeing Nash in Game 3 ... and going unpunished in both cases. Doesn't the league have to balance that against the notion of "staying consistent" on leaving-the-bench suspensions?

now this is really fishy right here..anyhow, that's just the way it is. hope to see more as the playoffs ensues.

dave

"accused of intentionally kicking a dunking Stoudemire in Game 2"
accused by who? amare? how credible is that?
bowen is called dirty because he isn't a star. when bowen gets the best of a "star" (nash, allen, carter, stoudemire, etc.)they say he is dirty because it is embarrassing to get schooled by a defensive-minded role player. the so-called "stars" of the league all get away with the same stuff they call bowen dirty for. the league doesn't call out bowen for it. sounds pretty consistent to me.

"kneeing Nash in Game 3"
offensive stars of the nba are also allowed to use their arms, legs & hips to clear space at the perimeter to make an offensive move. isn't this what bowen did? is it just because he is not considered an offensive star that he is being intentionally dirty? i think there is consistency in the way bowen is being treated by the league. what is not fair, is the perception that he is a dirty player becoming the wideheld belief because the "stars" of the nba are spoiled babies.

and how about this?

last time i checked the phoenix suns don't have halos around their heads. they have been grabbing, shoving and pushing just as much as the spurs, and getting away with it.

"staying consistent"
i would like to see a little more consistency in the type of fouls that are called for both teams during the course of a game.

mac

Amare should have been aware of the situation. Now, the NBA has cost its viewers a great series and have turned the spurs into heels. Many others think so too
http://www.thenextwhat.com/?NBAblog "League suffers after spurs win"

chris

Everyone seems to be missing the point. We're going to be arguing this one for a long time. There should have been one suspension. One. Horry for the foul. And it was a hard foul. He knew it at the time. He did it, turned around and walked away.

If you look at the reverse angle of the shot, you see Diaw (who was more likely to have been delivering pastries than getting into a fight) walking toward Nash. You also see Amare running toward Nash. His head is down, he's looking at Nash. (He was also taking his warm ups off to check in, probably expecting the foul, but not one so hard.) Common sense tells us that the first reaction to a teammate, friend, whatever getting clocked is to check if they are okay - then you go after the other guy or you chose to walk away. It is the exact same thing Duncan did. He stepped onto the court to make sure his teammate was okay. Then returned to the bench.

And no matter what Stu Jackson says, Diaw and Stoudemire did not walk "20 to 25 feet" away from their benches. The entire incident (all 10 seconds of it) took place less than 10 feet away. Duncan walked passed the three point line and planted himself well onto the court, further away from his bench. Still, neither was a suspendable offense.

chris

(The Duncan/Bowen court incident took place in the 2nd quarter... Just so no one writes in telling me, wrongly, that I don't know what happened, Duncan was in the game... yada yada. I'm talking about another incident.)

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